And I guess I'm really into incorporating numbered lists into my sentences today because 1) I don't know why.
So! Frozen. Three assholes con their way onto ski slopes without paying those expensive lift ticket prices. Three assholes end up stranded on the chair lift because no one knows they're up there when the slope closes for the night. Three assholes try a few ways to save themselves: jumping, heading down the line to a climbable pole. Three assholes encounter many hardships, such as wolves, wolves, and frostbite. One asshole survives.
three assholes weNow, I realize that all makes it sound as if I didn't like Frozen, which is not the case. Well, that's not entirely true, for I pretty much loathed the first half hour, full of character development by way of assholery. The "girlfriend coming between two friends and their bro time" angle simply made for characters that are unpleasant. Maybe I was supposed to be rooting for their deaths? Maybe it's all supposed to be some big morality play and the stranding/wolfnanigans are cosmic payment for their generally foul natures and thievery? That seems like a bit of a stretch, and thus my battle cry is yelped once more: please, just make some likable characters.
Once they all got stuck up there in the dark- in the night...in the dark (sorry, Haunting moment there)- things picked up and I found myself getting into it. The characters remained fairly assholey and shallow, despite all the "Remember that time?" stories meant to add depth, but the situation was interesting/dire/tense enough that I was interested in their fates nonetheless. Add in some cringe-worthy gore and I was satisfied enough. It made me particularly grateful to be warm and dry, so I suppose it was evocative enough.
But. But but but. Now, I realize that, Kane Hodder cameo aside, a viewer who's not ensconced in the indie horror scene might not notice, but...for fuck's sake. kay, Adam Green, we get it. You love your horror filmmaking buddies. You really do, and you seem like a good friend, but we get it. Does every character name have to be pulled from the home page at Dread Central? You've got characters named Joe Lynch, (Dave) Parker, (Spooky) Dan Walker (complete with the "Yeah, that's Spooky, Dan" line), (Ryan) Schifrin, and (Adam) Rifkin. I don't know, maybe I should ignore it. But it's so bro-y, you know? Like the dudes stranded on the chairlift, who love the same movies Adam Green loves, who hit on a girl played by Adam Green's wife. Does this have any bearing on the movie itself, or is it just too wizard-behind-the-curtain for me and so my personal experience suffers? Eh. Probably doesn't matter, but I'm just saying. I noticed.Oh, and who the fuck gets excited over Papa Gino's pizza? It's gross. And I'm not sure that Newbury Comics would really post a big billboard at a ski resort, but I used to work there, so hey.
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I couldn't watch this movie -- the premise reminded me too much of the Far Side cartoon about the scientists simultaneously testing phobias of the dark, heights and snakes. And with my horror movies, I need a killer or a zombie or a blob or an apocalypse or *some* kind of interesting villain. People getting foiled by human incompetence/their own douchebaggery -- feh, I get to see that happen every day! Who needs it? Still, looks like you got a fab response from everyone else, which is nice. Go Final Girl! You're frozen when your heart's not open!
ReplyDeleteThat song was totally stuck in my head all last night. :D
ReplyDelete"Wolfnanigans" - fantastic! Wish I'd thought of that one myself!
ReplyDeleteAnd is "Papa Gino's" a real franchise? (Sorry, I'm a Brit!) I spent half the movie wondering if it was just a bad pun on Papageno from 'The Magic Flute'.
You forgot a key word in this sentence - "Three assholes end up stranded on the chair lift because knows they're up there when the slope closes for the night."
ReplyDeleteLove your site. Keep up the great work!
Ahhhh, I missed this film club, and I totally wrote a review on this a couple months back.
ReplyDeleteI liked this movie, and I really don't mind Adam Green including all his buddies. But then again, I sorta like the fact that Rob Zombie uses repeat actors in his flicks.
Maybe I'm a baby, but I was tearing up when she was talking about her dog :/
As far as SHREDDER, I saw it way back in 2003, but remember not liking it but for maybe one scene (a hottub slaughter?). However, my memory of it is clearly sketchy, so maybe I should revisit it before saying it sucks.
ReplyDeleteI agree the character development in FROZEN is a bit douchey, but once the cold hits their bones, the douchiness seems to melt away. Yes, I'm a poet. :P
I noticed the Adam Rifkin reference, but I figured it was a coincidence, and that no one would ever force in a reference to Adam Rifkin.
ICED is still the best ski horror movie. Wednesday Adams gets naked in it! That's all the proof you need.
Frozen wasn't too bad. Minor complaints: the wire the ski lift rides on is not razor sharp and wolves rarely hunt during the day, and generally avoid humans. But I suppose you just have to go with it a bit, even if the film felt like Open Water with wolves.
ReplyDeleteI thought the moment where Parker breaks down and sobs about how her cat would be missing her was pretty damn effective.
I have this movie coming on Netflix. I been a little torn about it, whether or not i'll enjoy it. But after your review I'm 'warming' up to the idea.
ReplyDeleteShit, that was awful. My apologies.
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As a Minnesotan, I couldn't get over the fact that none of the characters bother to zip their jackets up all the way whilst freezing to death.
ReplyDeleteOh and you lost a glove? Tuck your damn hand into the jacket sleeve you thick nincompoop. Don't grab onto metal things.
"Wolfnanigans" might be my new favorite word :D
ReplyDeleteI dunno, my Mom seems to like these kind of movies, with dumbass people getting killed. Maybe its cathartic, eh.
absolutely great review. you nailed it with the 'bro-y' thing :)
ReplyDeleteI unintentionally ended up watching Frozen with a whole bunch of family members on Christmas Eve at our family Christmas party. Judge us accordingly, lol
ReplyDeleteLAME!! I agree, what a bunch of assholes. I wanted them to die. Apart from that though, some things were just straight up unbelievable. The wolves might have killed the first guy - ok. But there's no way they would have killed the 2nd guy. He was totally ok - barely bleeding. Just stand up and yell and they would have run away. Just one of many complaints which I won't bore you with.
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Papa Ginos pizza is like a beacon of light. They for me out of all the CHAIN pizza, have the best ratio of sauce to cheese, and the most magic assembling of spices I have ever tasted. Also, I think blonde lady was more excited about it because it was not ski lodge pizza. Which I imagine must be much, much worse.
ReplyDelete@Sum Guy- thanks! Sometimes these errors slip through.
ReplyDeleteI don't generally mind directors using the same actors, but the names & businesses thing here becomes a "spot the reference" game on par with one of those Epic Movie movies.
While surely Papa Gino's is better than lodge pizza, still! Anyone in New England who would choose to go to a chain pizza place (unless there's no other option) baffles my sensitivities!
@Thomas- oh make no mistake, Shredder is terrible. I just love it anyway.
If only the assholes hadn't gone up the lift illegally- Survivor Asshole could have sued for zillions! They were forgotten, the lift obviously wasn't well maintained, and it's a wolf wonderland.
The not covering themselves up properly was the only glitch I REALLY had trouble getting over. Asshole #2 didn't even put his damn hood up! And Girl Asshole should have at least put both hands in one mitten when she lost the other. I get why they couldn't really hide their heads in their sweaters (it's a movie, after all), but still.
Agreed with everyone, though- the puppy scene was great. Emma Bell was quite good and really sold it. I thought she reacted well during the wolf attack, too.
I was talking with someone about what would have thrown a nice dramatic wrench in the works- if Asshole #2 never had girlfriends and was such a dick to Asshole Girl because...dun dun dun...he was gay and in love with Asshole #1, his best friend. Would have been stronger than "One time this girl I liked didn't like me back" and "You're a stupid girl! This is bro time!", but...you know. Too gay.
on a somewhat related note, I linked to your site today. It was reviewing another movie that wasn't frozen. I did see frozen though, but not in time to review it for the film club.
ReplyDeleteNext month though, I'll have get it together.
OK Awesome review. I really did not like the girl. GAAAHHH!!! The movie was largely unsatifying.
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Reading the reviews (I haven't gotten through them all, but a nice cross-section), I believe this may be the FGFC selection that has most divided FGdom.
ReplyDelete(Using all those abbreviations made that look like this is some sort of gay pride site, didn't it?)
Some reviewers praised it up the ying-yang, at least one calling it one of the best horror movies of th year, while others basically said it was so stupid, poorly-made, and badly-written that it's not even so-bad-it's-good. Just B-A-D bad.
I keep planning to watch it on Netflix, but then I'll see they have Circus of Horrors or Tales that witness Madness or Dr. Phibes Rises Again on instant Watch, and I'm gone.
Maybe if I had really started my blog, rather than posting 3 times and then stopping, or if I had more free time (no, that's definitely not the problem...But I digress.
Why do you think it's soooooo divisive? Is it a male/female thing (I thought I notice a little of that in the posts, but sometimes it's impossible to know the gender of the blogger)? Or something intrinsic to the premise?
Or is it that it's actually a very uneven movie, with a premise that's a little too reminiscent of another recent movie (OpenWater, of course) but a premise that's still, in and of itself, horrifying, so that each reviewer brings some major expectations good and bad, and their reaction depends on how it plays to/against those preconceptions? And that the good moments become so good that they overwhelm the bad, or vice-versa?
then there are the reviews like yours, which split the difference. As usual, you are the voice of moderation.
I've got to see this movie. And I've got to stop writing huge run-on sentences.
Verification word- VULTYLO: Worst. He-Man Villain. Ever.
I think the characters have a huge part in peoples' feelings about this movie. The first half hour is pretty much all exposition, and they're all really obnoxious people, very thinly written. That may leave a lingering 'bad taste'.
ReplyDeleteThere are also situational things that will effect your feelings on it- there are plenty of opportunities to yell "Why don't you do THIS?", or "That would never happen!"- your enjoyment level is likely related to your ability to ignore those kind of things.
There are also long periods where nothing "happens" and they're just sitting, stranded; to some people that is engrossing and adds tension, to others that can just be boring.
It is very divisive. I had a good time with it, first half hour aside. I think he takes a familiar premise and makes it worth watching again. There's nothing wrong with "Open Water on a ski slope" if it's done fairly well. Characters aside, I think it's serviceable enough.
Just wanted to add that "serviceable" has been my experience with every Adam Green movie- he writes some funny dialogue, has superb violence and gore, and makes an ultimately alright film in whatever subgenre he's tackling. Character development is largely lacking, but more than that, he doesn't have much in the way of visual style- it's capable and it works, but there's nothing special about the way his movies are shot, and there's not much artistry, for lack of a better word, to the visuals. He's early in his career, though, so maybe that'll change. I think if he could find some kind of voice beyond shout outs to his friends and wisecracks, his output would really improve. Just my opin-i-yon.
ReplyDeleteActually, in terms of liking or disliking the characters, I don't think you could actually like any of these people. They are shallow, selfish college kids. THey don't appear to have faced any adversity prior to this. Thus-they are fluffy and not at all hardy. And make stupid choices.
ReplyDeleteWAIT! Maybe that was part of the plan when this was written. Who else would make such stupid, anti-survival choices but inexperienced college kids?!!!
Oh, I don't think there's any way to actually LIKE them...I think it's more simply getting over the hate. :D Girl Asshole is the only one with some really humanizing moments, and I found myself rooting for her in spite of myself.
ReplyDeleteThere are a surprising number of positive reviews from the Film Club gang up there. And some folks who liked the characters and thought they made essentially good choices. I dunno...I think I was watching another flick.
ReplyDeleteBTW...I'm totally with you on Bro#2 with the gay thing. That would have been at least interesting.
I agree that the actress who played girl asshole was actually pretty good, and made girl asshole sympathetic.
ReplyDeleteIn general, I find that people who have lived in Chicago or New York are pizza snobs (myself included), as pretty much any pizza you can get in either city is pretty awesome, minus Dominoes and Pizza Hut. Most other people seem to be perfectly happy with anything that's at least a notch above Pizza Hut. Of course, you can become a pizza snob if you have an awesome local place you regularly go to.
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And here I thought Papa Gino's was some take on Papa John's pizza. So it's an actual chain in the Northeast?
ReplyDeleteI’m about as far removed from the “the indie horror scene” as you can possibly get (I live on the other side of the world and have no interest in making films myself (seeing as there as so many other people prepared to slavishly do it for me)), so the references you mentioned, that Green included in the film, were lost on me. From my perspective they certainly didn’t draw attention to themselves or disrupt the story telling or character development.
ReplyDeleteThe only conceit I found jarring was when they started spouting Star Wars references. They seemed too young to be original trilogy fans, and I’m not convinced that the prequels have any real fans.
For the record, I did like these characters. I appreciated the fact that they weren’t a jock, a nerd, & a cheerleader. Or a geek, a bad-boy, & a book-worm. Or any other combination of clichéd character types that we usually get served in these types of films. They seemed like regular college students, and I could totally relate that that early-adult-life situation when a new relationship puts stress on an age old friendship. I’m just saying that it rang true to me.
I don’t think they were douchey for trying to scam cheap lift rides either. Lift tickets are mind-bogglingly f***ing expensive. If they were printed on solid gold their face value would still be worth than the gold itself. It was totally true to character for college students to try to scam cheap lift rides. “Higher learning” is as much about learning how to scam cheap shit as it is about, uhm, well, higher leaning. All IMFIO.
This film wasn't my favorite but it's nice to change up from some of the older stuff. Stacie you keep things funky fresh and that's important. I never know what to expect next.
ReplyDeleteKeep up the good work!
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ReplyDelete@"Frozen" (the movie) -- I liked the acting, but the movie itself, not so much. I am just happy to see one Adam Green film where the women in it weren't solely there to be naked and frolicking. Green is from the Rob Zombie/Joe Lynch school of horror filmmaking that dictates women are only to be featured if they're (a) nude, (b) slutty, (c) brainless, (d) dependent on men, (e) disposable, and (f) all of the above. (See: "Hatchet" and "Hatchet II", and every other film these guys have made.)
Not the worst horror film I've seen by any means, but I wouldn't sit through it again.
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Matt- absolutely in agreement. Even here, Girl Asshole was denigrated throughout the entire film, even though...what did she do? She seemed fairly nice, if dim. At least it was too cold for her to be a blow-up doll.
ReplyDeleteYou know, reading the description of this reminds me of that episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where Larry gets stuck on the chair lift with the Orthodox Jewish girl.
ReplyDeleteThat was a good episode.
I see a great mashup being made, somehow...
Oh, apparently someone else had the same idea, and there is a mashup on youtube already.
ReplyDeleteNo one will come any nearer than that. In the dark. In the night.
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